You could also call this “The Top 100 Things You should start stocking up on.” Even if you don’t need more than 2 (you should always have 2 of everything) each item on this list will be great for bartering. This list was discussed and chosen by the members of SurvivalistBoards.com. No Particular Order.
I’ve also linked to items that we carry at our store Forge Survival Supply.
1. Generators
2. Water Filters/Purifiers
3. Portable Toilets
4. Seasoned Firewood.
5. Lamp Oil, Wicks, Lamps, Lanterns
6. Camp Stove Fuel – Impossible to stockpile too much.
7. Guns, Ammunition, Pepper Spray, Knives, Clubs, Bats & Slingshots.
8. Hand-can openers, & hand egg beaters, whisks.
9. Honey/Syrups/white, brown sugar
10. Rice – Beans – Wheat
11. Vegetable Oil (for cooking) Without it food burns/must be boiled)
12. Charcoal, Lighter Fluid
13. Water Containers
14. Mini Heater head (Without this item, propane won’t heat a room.)
15. Grain Grinder (Non-electric)
16. Propane Cylinders (Urgent: Definite shortages will occur.
17. Survival Guide Book.
18. Lantern Mantles
19. Baby Supplies: Diapers/formula. ointments/aspirin, etc.
20. Washboards, Mop Bucket w/wringer (for Laundry)
21. Propane Cookstoves
22. Vitamins
23. Propane Cylinder Handle-Holder
24. Feminine Hygiene/Haircare/Skin products.
25. Thermal underwear / Polypropylene
26. Bow saws, axes and hatchets, Wedges (also, honing oil)
27. Aluminum Foil Reg. & Heavy Duty
28. Gasoline Containers (Plastic & Metal)
29. Garbage Bags
30. Toilet Paper, Kleenex, Paper Towels
31. Milk – Powdered & Condensed
32. Garden Seeds (Non-Hybrid)
33. Clothes pins/line/hangers
34. Coleman’s Pump Repair Kit
35. Tuna Fish (in oil)
36. Fire Extinguishers (or..large box of Baking Soda in every room)
37. First aid kits
38. Batteries
39. Garlic, spices & vinegar, baking supplies
40. Big Dogs (and plenty of dog food)
41. Flour, yeast & salt
42. Matches
43. Writing paper/pads/pencils, solar calculators
44. Insulated ice chests
45. Workboots, belts, jeans & durable shirts
46. Flashlights, Lightsticks, torches, Lanterns
47. Journals, Diaries & Scrapbooks
48. Garbage cans Plastic
49. Hygiene: Shampoo, Toothbrush/paste, Mouthwash, floss
50. Cast iron cookware
51. Fishing supplies/tools
52. Mosquito coils/repellent, sprays/creams
53. Duct Tape
54. Tarps/stakes/twine/nails/rope/spikes
55. Candles
56. Laundry Detergent (liquid)
57. Backpacks, Duffel Bags
58. Garden tools & supplies
59. Scissors, fabrics & sewing supplies
60. Canned Fruits, Veggies, Soups, stews, etc.
61. Bleach
62. Canning supplies, (Jars/lids/wax)
63. Knives & Sharpening tools: files, stones, steel
64. Bicycles…Tires/tubes/pumps/chains, etc
65. Sleeping Bags & blankets/pillows/mats
66. Carbon Monoxide Alarm (battery powered)
67. Board Games, Cards, Dice
68. d-con Rat poison, MOUSE PRUFE II, Roach Killer
69. Mousetraps, Ant traps & cockroach magnets
70. Paper plates/cups/utensils (stock up, folks)
71. Baby wipes, oils, waterless & Antibacterial soap
72. Rain gear, rubberized boots, etc.
73. Shaving supplies
74. Hand pumps & siphons (for water and for fuels)
75. Soysauce, vinegar, bullions/gravy/soupbase
76. Boy Scout Handbook
77. Chocolate/Cocoa/Tang/Punch (water enhancers)
78. “Survival-in-a-Can”
79. Woolen clothing, scarves/ear-muffs/mittens
80. Reading glasses
81. Window Insulation Kit
82. Graham crackers, saltines, pretzels, Trail mix/Jerky
83. Popcorn, Peanut Butter, Nuts
84. Socks, Underwear, T-shirts, etc. (extras)
85. Lumber (all types)
86. Wagons & carts (for transport to and from)
87. Cots & Inflatable mattress’s
88. Gloves: Work/warming/gardening, etc.
89. Lantern Hangers
90. Screen Patches, glue, nails, screws,, nuts & bolts
91. Teas
92. Coffee
93. Cigarettes
94. Wine/Liquors (for bribes, medicinal, etc,)
95. Paraffin wax
96. Glue, nails, nuts, bolts, screws, etc.
97. Chewing gum/candies
98. Atomizers (for cooling/bathing)
99. Hats & cotton neckerchiefs
100. Goats/chickens
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I'm iffy on the zip ties – they get brittle in the cold and rarely do anything you can't do with either rope/paracord or duct tape. One time I thought I would be high speed and remove all the ALICE clips on my tactical gear in favor of zip ties… yeah, it was lighter, and cool for a while, but the plastic fatigued over time and once it got cold I started having some failure as they just gave up the ghost.
I think a bandanna is key for it's multiple uses, but would recommend a shemagh over a bandanna.
You cannot stress enough the rodent traps and poison, as well as the bug sprays (both types).
Remember, before the last century, most large die offs of humans were caused by insects and rats…
Ross,
That's a good point. And bugs and rodents are going to go absolutely nuts in a post-teotwawki world with trash and junk everywhere.
You could always just eat them, LOL.
Ummmmmm the obvious old time remedy for rodents, FELINES!!! cats protect your food, remember? The church burned all the cats along with the "witches" and that is what caused the Black Plague. No cats left to kill the rats.
I agree! I once ended up with four cats. The area was full of rats before I moved in. When I left there wasn't even a mousey in the whole neighborhood. Yay kitties! In an emergency in the country side they can almost feed themselves. They will protect crops from rodents too! That's probabally why the Egyptians worshipped them!
Cats can feed themselves even in the city (i have one)
I would skip the rat poison and stick up on insect repellent and bug spray. The thing that gerenally makes rodents deadly (unless you live in the desert southwest) is the fleas they carry. Otherwise, they're a potential food source.
Also, having copious amounts of rat poison can be a hazard for children and guard animals. Most of it is peanut butter flavored, or at least flavored to attract rodents – making it equally appealing to dogs and children.
I would add solar battery charger and rechargeable batteries. Make sure batteries are suitable for all chargers. All rechargeable batteries aren't. If I were to consider bartering I would give careful consideration as to how what I trade could be used against me. Just saying.
aj52,
good point. I have been looking around for a solar battery charger. Or rather just a small solar charger in general, specifically to power a cell phone. It would come in very handy when trying to contact family members.
Brunton has a couple that are good for cell phones and other devices. mixed reviews though.
That's the real problem. There is so much out there and so much of it is junk it's really hard to know where to buy, as far as solar powered anything goes.
@ the thing about using the cell phone: If the power is out for a long enough period to where your phone is out of charge, it would then be my guess the cell towers would be out too. No cell towers = No calling family
Good point jim.
I think it still might be good for a regional emergency where you could get out to where things are better and then use it.
Also, if you happen to have a sat phone, they will likely still be working.
Motorola two way radios, I already use them when hiking. Great coms for a few on the same freq.
http://www.solio.com/charger/
I will look for the link to the solar charger I have. I have tested it by charging batteries, my cell phone and even my lap top. While its not as good as a wall socket it leads to my suggesting to add. Get a converter for your vehicle cigarette lighter so you can plug in and charge or use if the power goes out such as a lap top, note book, I pad or kendle that you should have survival information downloaded on due to the net possibly being down. You can get them at any electronics store or walmart.
So! Is everyone here 20-something? What about Meds …medicine- as in that which is prescribed by a doctor? Given current insurance practices, meds are given in monthly doses. Just try and get a refill in a disaster. I recommend re-filling prescriptions 1 or 2 days early and thereby building a supply- 1 to 2 days worth per month. But rotate them so that you always use the oldest first. In only 30 months you could have a 1-2 month reserve. You will need it.
Carl,
I'll confess that I am 20-something and Meds is not something I think about often.
Important: to differentiate between Medication and First Aid and medical supplies.
That's another good example of why everyone has to plan for themselves and not take only what they read online. I don't take anything regularly, so I didn't even think to add that to the list.
Don't forget veterinary meds. They are often available over-the-counter from your vet, at your local feedstore, or over the internet. And, in a drop dead emergency, penicillin is penicillin is penicillin…"I ain't sayin', but I"m just sayin'…"
When planning for a survival situation, a lot of meds you may normally take might not be needed. For example, if you take cholesterol medicine, antihypertensives, or antidepressants, you will be able to survive a number of weeks (or even years) without these. If you have access and the knowledge of how to use them, I think a stash of medicines like antibiotics, antivirals (tamiflu), activated charcoal, epinepherine, and injectable lidocaine (useful for getting stitches) would be much more valuable in a survival situation. Of course, if you have epilepsy or a similar potentially debilitating disease, you will want enough medicine to get you through.
Unless I missed it, what about Gasoline itself??? I saw gasoline containers on the list, as well as generators, etc. How are you going to run the stuff? With some "Stabil", the fuel should stay for a while.
Get a book on making bio-diesel and get a diesel generator! It is easy to make bio out of just about any kind of seed or nut including acorns! but you have to have a motor that will handle the fuel. Also, make sur e you have a spare wire set, spare air filter (#1 reason generators fail!) and 3 extra spark plugs
A great idea, never thought of that. Do you have recommendations for books that discuss how to properly do this process?
drugs!!! drugs!!! drugs!!!! prescription and OTC and "illegal". Knowing how to grow, process and administer marijuana and opium (humankind's oldest medicines) will be a highly prized survival skill when TSHTF.
You can never have enough 1. Socks..put em in vacuum pack bags. 2. Wire and pliers…1000 uses and takes up little room. 3. Survival Books!…especially medical and food preservation! 4. A country boy can survive!..learn to live country at least 2 or 3 weeks a year! That means only the stuff on your back (Bug out Bag) and your wits! When you start comming home after 2 weeks and have gained weight you are doing it right!
One thing that is always left off this list that i feel should at least be in the top 5 is antibiotics. should the SHTF big pharma will no longer be able to pump out antibiotics and other medications like them i.e. (doxycycline) i would put other medical supplies up there as well.
as to storing gasoline you need to be carefull about the stabiliser you use, there is a new on that is made for the damn stuff that has 10-15% alcohol in it, also if you let regular gas (the stuff with alcohol in it) sit it will settle to the bottom of the tank. check out the wonderful things the govt has been doing in the "political correctness" areas that have actually made things more expensive. harrumph, sorry
I'd make a trip to Mexico and stock up on ampicillin, prescription meds, and IV supplies, suture material, and pain meds. Even if you aren't trained, the info is in the printed wordon how to use it. Necessity is the mother of invention.
I agree with the medical supplies, emergency and medical types, if you don't know how to use it you may be able to find someone who can. Also get educated so you can use it. Another item, contreceptives, a survival situation is not the time for "accidents."
Or you could use an inter-uteran device, or IUD. Do it ahead of time, and you don't have to worry.
I didnt see bottled water or ice on this list. Always the first go. In my experience water, batteries, and food go first. All foods, water, and batteries. This will vary with where you live, your weather patterns, and potential terrorist threats and risk of looting.
ice melts?
Water heaters in homes have water in them, so you get yourself a filter system to drain out the water. Add bleach in small amounts to purify.
I would ad hand crank or solar powered short wave/weather band radio.
chewing tobacco good for bee/wasp/hornet stings and nicotene
also coon/bear/boar hounds are a good choice besides big dogs, if u can get a good finished dog and the solar battery charger/rechargeble batteries / gps collor tracking system its worth the investment its a quicker way to get food. also no boot care supplies? u need the spray on protectant atleast if u use it regularly on gortex insulated boots you'll save your self some hell on the feet
alot of the items mentioned are short term items when tshtf you might want to think long term. your personal ability to barter your skills is what will last and set your worth to the people in your area. I plan to barter my blacksmithing skills.you might want to add anvil forge hammer tongs. your skills have more value in the long term then things do, so learn a skill or craft like candle making or basket weaving maybe tin smithing or fuel maker etc.. think about it
how about cash….money and some gold coins
Cash, a great firestarter.
RE Meds and such. I'm neither a People doctor, nor a vet, however, if you go to a farm supply stores (Tractor Supply etc.) there might be some usefull additions to the first aid kit. Most of the antibiotics, bandages, meds for cuts, cremes and salves are quality products. Also a place to get hypodermic needles.
Anyone with more specific knowledge on this should speak up! Please
You need to use caution when going with this option if you come across it. I have 10 years in an animal field and have seen several animal products cross to being used for humans. Ex: Main and Tail shampoo and Abosorbene Jr,for sore muscles, are both horse products. I have been to the vet and gotten a scrip to fight infection, and a friend took her daughter to the dr for a infection, They were both prescribed the same medicine. When placed side by side the pills were identlical. I have even taken and dog to a vet and the medicine they prescribed I had to pick up at Walgreens.
You have to remember to use way less of the animal product. Horse topicals are made to penetrate the coat and large muscle mass so using on yourself you need to greatly lower the dosage. Advantage is that some animal products are alot cheaper for larger amounts. For wound care I would suggest some "vet wrap" it is a slightly strectable bandage similiar to a ace bandage but it adheres to itself, it can be sturdy too as it is meant to stand up to animal wear. It comes in small rolls and way cheaper than an ace bandage for the first aid kit.
A good quality air-rifle (with a "ridiculous" amount of BB's and pellets-good for barter) and wrist- rocket sling shot. I saw window screen patches, but I feel more comfortable with several full size rolls of screen- insects can make life miserable and be a health hazard (ever try to make window screen by hand?). If you have the space, old books on cooking, farming, chemistry, plumbing, fishing, hunting – WTSHTF the simpler "old" ways of doing things will probably be easier and more practical. How about a few bags of ready-mix cement and mortor, chimney / stove pipe, animal meds, extra AM/FM radios (great for barter!), Lots of dental floss- it's cheap at the dollar store, it's strong, and has a hundred uses: floss, thread, fishing line, lashing, boobytraps, snares, etc.!,
Part 2 of Tamed Beats's comment—-Cheap but useable wristwatches, pocket knives, parachute cord, rolling papers and corn cob pipes, earbuds for quiet radio and walkie-talkie listening, $ store meds: aspirin, antacid, hydracortisone cream, band-aids, antihystimins, antibiotic ointment, etc. (great for barter!),, some kind of communication device- C.B., HAM radio, Marine radio, GMRS walkie talkies, the knowledge to "tap in" to a land line. Dual use or "Enduro" motiorcycles- some of these will get 50-75 MPG and are relativley inexpensive to buy and maintain- you can also ride where 95% of the rest of the population cannot! I know it was already mentioned, but you cannot have too much .22, .38, 9mm, .223 and 12ga ammo- this stuff will be better than cash if TSHTF- and used but good working guns for trade or barter.
I guess you can add in reloading equipment and components such as powder and primers and also lead in case you have to cast bullets.
Spark plugs.
Shoe laces
Retin, that stuff that makes cheese
Firing pins
Wood shavings: gerbil bedding. This and a plastic bag was a Katrina emergency latrine
Spray paint
Shewers for shish kabobs
Dutch ovens
Rennet is the stuff that you use in making cheese… BUT, unless you stock up on the tablets from the store, you have to refrigerate the liquid – a problem if the poop hits the air distribution devise. Alternately you can use LEMON JUICE, or WHITE VINEGAR to make simple farmer's cheese (like cottage cheese). Directions are widely available on line. Once you try it in your kitchen at home, you'll kick yourself for not making fresh cheese for yourself every week.
I’d get as much chap stick as I could. When I go hiking and forget a chap stick my lips always chap and it ruins my good time. Imagine years on end like this!
yeah chap stick, lots of it, or you could use cat oil works just the same =).
Chapstick's (or like products) also good to have on hand, when you feel a blister forming. Dab a little on the area to stop friction and blisters. Use your finger to apply it to your feet though (So you can still use the stick on your lips.) Otherwise, just Ewwww ; )
WD-40?
As a married man, my wife would be introuble without some feminine products.
An excellent idea… PLUS, when making molatov cocktails, tampons make excellent fuses – no more wasting good t-shirts!
i use pads i made from old flannel. no chemicals. free. never run out. more comfortable.
an added bonus is that after i rinse them out, i can dump the water in the garden to feed the plants.
ewwwwww! but wow, what a great idea.
LOL! Your wife is a married man? ha ha, i love it!
Don't forget papones, for they are good for bullit wounds. They soak up the blood faster and can be pulled out and replaced quicker. Simple items can help you more than you think they can!!!!
Did I miss someone who entered seeds? I think crop seeds will go realy fast. ateve
super glue.
condums… if the shtf and there is no TV, radio, computers exc what is the next best thing (you get the idea). so glove it and dont bring a kid in to a mess where survivel is hard for you let a lone a prego and a new baby
water heaters have water inside, you get filters for the drain valve and add small amount of bleach to clean the water. it may taste bad, but it is drinkable.
Most younger Americans have never been really hungry and/or sick with no place to go for help. They have been spoiled with all the good things that society can provide and few have been burdened with any of the morality or ethics. Food, shelter, medicine… it's all owed to them. and then it's gone. No mom and dad to the rescue. No Salvation Army shelter, no soup lines, only grim reality. How will these young, strong, healthy brats react? Like the sociopaths the game videos have taught them to be. . In a week they will gang up, in two they will rape and pillage, in three they will help kill anyone who denies the gang.
Hunger is a great equalizer. A survivalist must plan especially well for the first month or two of anarchy. Crawl in you're hide and eat cold rats until the crazies have killed themselves off. Think mouse. Move only at night. Learn to meditate. Write a diary, but do not get in any predator's way. A smart mouse hides or runs away. Let others go to aid that screaming woman, don't be brave…and foolish. Remember, for all of your years of preparation and hard work, for all of your planning, one bright morning as you exit your privy, a 12 year old kid with a duct taped .22 single shot may leave his beauty mark on your forehead, and walk away whistling, and playing with his new " Wilson custom combat 1911."
Most younger Americans have never been really hungry and/or sick with no place to go for help. They have been spoiled with all the good things that society can provide and few have been burdened with any of the morality or ethics. Food, shelter, medicine… it's all owed to them. and then it's gone. No mom and dad to the rescue. No Salvation Army shelter, no soup lines, only grim reality. How will these young, strong, healthy brats react? Like the sociopaths the game videos have taught them to be. . In a week they will gang up, in two they will rape and pillage, in three they will help kill anyone who denies the gang.
Hunger is a great equalizer. A survivalist must plan especially well for the first month or two of anarchy. Crawl in you're hide and eat cold rats until the crazies have killed themselves off. Think mouse. Move only at night. Learn to meditate. Write a diary, but do not get in any predator's way. A smart mouse hides or runs away. Let others go to aid that screaming woman, don't be brave…and foolish. Remember, for all of your years of preparation and hard work, for all of your planning, one bright morning as you exit your privy, a 12 year old kid with a duct taped .22 single shot may leave his beauty mark on your forehead, and walk away whistling, and playing with his new " Wilson custom combat 1911."
Add-on: Oh, and for gear, an extra pair of wool socks, a good boonie hat and a couple candy bars. Liberate the rest.
Basic aspirin- would need a presciption for it if it wasn't so wide spread before the FDA
anti biotics- any and all- what would you trade if you needed to get rid of an infection for your kid?
Condoms- the idle time was mentioned, great for water transport (in sock for extra support)
Your skills- which have been practiced in the least of ideal situations. (i tried to light a fire during the rain today; got it lit, but took some time)
bike for urban use- look at china. for that matter to ride the 100 miles etc to your BOL. I can't imagine the traffic and while they're stuck you'll be riding by not walking
bear mace- so they don't steal your bike!
most of these were mentioned- but some I don't get in the list. "canned tuna in oil"? does it last longer cause it tastes like S.
http://www.health.harvard.edu/fhg/updates/update1…
Notice the URL……Harvard…..read it. And then look up the original study by the military. Two small quotes.
"With a large and expensive stockpile of drugs, the military faced tossing out and replacing its drugs every few years. What they found from the study is 90% of more than 100 drugs, both prescription and over-the-counter, were perfectly good to use even 15 years after the expiration date."
"A rare exception to this may be tetracycline, but the report on this is controversial among researchers. It's true the effectiveness of a drug may decrease over time, but much of the original potency still remains even a decade after the expiration date. Excluding nitroglycerin, insulin, and liquid antibiotics, most medications are as long-lasting as the ones tested by the military. Placing a medication in a cool place, such as a refrigerator, will help a drug remain potent for many years."
This military study focused on the top 100 meds needed "in the field". So obviously it would have focused on pain killers(both script and OTC) and antibiotics. Basically the Military found out that the Govt mandated exp. date that is stamped on every med made is basically useless…..No one ever wonder how almost all meds "magically" lasted just a single year? And no one ever notice the date is always a year from the time you buy the meds(scripts obviously?) You really think every pharmacy gets all new meds every day or something?
As simple as it is most people don't think about Diphenhydramine(Benadry)l tablets. In any emergency there is a big risk of allergies and allergic reactions. This is the one stop fix for that as well as a very effective sleep aid. And by any means available get as much of your prescription meds and antibiotics. In the days before them simple infections killed more people than all wars combined.
well if you dont use the condom filled with water for starting a fire you're golden right? lol
http://www.solio.com/charger/ …….i dont know much about these. I've read some reviews and apparently they are good portable chargers. otherwise there's always electricity via fruit. even gatorade has electrolytes.
aisian sour cucumber has been a diabetes home remedy for years… my oh my how did the human race manage to survive millions of years without antibiotics…. eat right, exercise, drink lots of water, your body can fight off most infections. If you are living right you wont catch that mutated zombie aids virus.
And short life expectancies…….
But you are generally right. I think I heard something about and ounce of prevention and a pound of cure once…..
Mike: good stuff. Google 'nine meals from anarchy' for a description of your scenario. As a Katrina volunteer, I saw how quickly civil society deteriorated over the lack of certain items. Sites like this provoke cogent debate, and lead (hopefully) to reasoned preparation and a cool head in times of trouble. Agree completely with the mouse analogy; more to the point, my sense is we all should be a little more quiet about our plans and preparations. Personally I will do a bait-and-switch soon in my town. Too many folks know too much. Relocating certain items to a hide-site so as to minimize initial loss. The wave, in my opinion, will last less than a month. tomk
GENTLEMEN, THE ONLY THING THAT WILL KEEP YOU ALIVE BESIDES ALL THESE GOODIES
IS A GROUP SITUATION. IT COULD BE NEIGHBORS, COULD BE RELATIVES, COULD BE US GUYS WHO FORM A GROUP THAT WILL SHARE AND CAN DEFEND OUR GROUP FROM MAURADERS, SKUM BAGS, AND MOOCHERS WHO WILL DO ANYTHING TO TAKE WHAT WE HAVE……………."UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL" I HAVE STUDIED THIS AT FT LEAVENWORTH, KS IN THE COMMAND AND GENERAL STAFF SCHOOL. THEY NOT ONLY TEACH MILITARY SUBJECTS BUT ALSO CIVILIAN CHAOS SITUATIONS AND HOW THEY SHOULD BE HANDLED…………A SMALL GROUP, 8-10 WON'T SURVIVE – IT'S GOT TO BE AT LEAST 20 WITH THE MEANS TO DEFEND YOUR SELVES – AR-15'S, SHOTGUNS ETC
PLAN AHEAD – WITH THIS GUY AND HIS BUDDIES IN CHARGE WE MAY NEED ALL OF THIS SOON
TRIPP, US ARMY RETIRED AIRBORNE RANGER
Antifreeze
Does anyone know if farm supply stores carry any non-penicillin antibiotics? Way too many people are allergic to it these days to not plan for an alternative.
General guide for others: this may be obvious but if it ends in “cillin” it is a penicillin based med. A good second option is to look for the “mycins”.
I would suggest learning a production skill and stocking up on whatever you need to for that. If you are planning with a group, then have everyone learn (at least) one production skill, all different and balancing one anothers. Then you all are making stuff that is useful for your group and is great for trade.
Semi-brief example: I’m a paramedic, my job is to gather medical supplies(not really ‘production’ but still highly tradable). My husband has taken up leather working, he is stocking up on leather as well as learning to produce his own leather. My mother and brother are bowyers and fletchers. My father is an experienced and accomplished forester. My Sis-in-law, has taken up seamstress skills. We’re picking up other skills as well, but you get the idea.
bag balm is a good antibiotic sold at most farm supply stores around here they sell it by the 8 oz can. no tube just reach in get a good glob on your finger and schmear it on your would. it is also petroleum a good fire starter.
Tetramycin is a common livestock antibiotic
Well, the entire gamut of possibilities seemed to covered here, but 3 things stand out to me:
1. Most people have never practised "camping out". Today, they have never walked a mile in their life.
2. Most people have no idea of how fast civilisation can drop back to 17th century. (78,000 products have been invented in the last 15 years).
3. Manual skills are almost non-existent. So are manual tools.
Here are some suggestions about EXTREME survival:
1. Learn to sew.
2. Learn to repair.
3. Learn to navigate.
4. Learn to hunt – just practise stalking, not killing.
5. Get hold of 19th century tools and artifacts.
6. Learn to shoot properly, defensively. Including a crossbow.
7. Learn to make explosives.
8.Learn to make and use traps.
9. Learn bushcraft: what to eat, what not.
10. Learn to plant unusual seeds over a wide area – most "weeds" are edibles and medicinal.
MOST IMPORTANT: Forget pharmaceuticals. They are basically bad for you and do nothing of value for your body that your new "diet" won't soon fix. (Go read http://www.Mercola.com ) and get some real facts.
Learn how to make Colloidal Silver at home. Read up on it and ignore the nonsense about it turning people blue!
There is utterly nothing more valuable for first aid than this.
Of course all the above is apocalyptic.
But if you've never travelled and seen how most of the world lives…. and dies, there is a very high chance that the USA will at least have a new social structure very soon: 80% of you will be reduced to a third world lifestyle and the USA has not got the capacity left to really start the machine again if it stops.
This is a more expectable future:
No jobs, no pensions, no welfare, no forseeable manpower-using growth. This means really bad times in the cities.
Get out while you can. Your best asset may well be a shotgun and a home vegetable garden.
Peace!
Himagain
I like what u say on looking back to older skills which means doing things with yr own head&hands,as for owning weapons that implies using them,it seems against percevied threats-have u ever shot someone,do u think u can?u might find that u cant do it unless trained,I wonder how it would go down?
This also works for ant bites. (New here! Hello.
never heard of that
Never understood people packing shampoo, deoderant, soap and the like. Yeah, feeling clean is nice, but all of these things contain perfumes. What do perfumes do? Attract animals, Mosquitos, and hungry survivors. Mosquitos being the worst, considering there will probably be plenty due to the imposing amount of stagnant water that will be prevalent. We already know that Mosquitos can transmit malaria, west Nile, and a variety of other nasty things and considering the poor sanitation and a dwindling supply of meds that'll be the last thing we need.
wow i cannot believe we all forgot 550 paracord
Motivation & Positivity : )
Salt
Fats: oils, butters, lard, etc.
Charcuterie knowledge
Dry Bags, ziplocs, plastic storage bins, etc.
Bible, Torah, Koran, etc.
Bicyle, Sea Kayak
Check out the free lectures available at your library. They have a wide range of subjects with special guest speakers. I plan to go to an upcoming beekeeping seminar (curiosity). Also, you don't have to own a boat to get sailing lessons. Many state parks offer lessons.
*bicycle*
Im in my early 30's, love all the great ideas…how about a radio, a short wave, or ham radio. keep comunication with others.
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Helo. I am new to this in a sense but have been stocking up on essentials for the past year or so. Little bit here, little bit there but still a long way off. I think a valid suggestion would be to take a First responder/ EMT class. They are relatively short and very informative and could be the one thing that gives you the knowledge and ability to help others, especially those in your family, in a medical situation with no other help available. I am a Paramedic which is much more advanced than an EMT but we are still only as good as the equipment we have. I do stock uip on Benadryl, Aspirin, Pain relievers and IV fluids etc. A litle bit of time can go a long way.
i saw mop bucket for clothes washing ..instead get a 5 gallon bucket w/ lid and a good old plunger , cut a hole in lid for plunger handle use it as the "agitator" plus there are many other uses for the bucket
I want to add condoms to the list, any other birth control methods.Both(as country girl says)because WTSHTF is not the time for accidents but because (as ironpete) mentions think about what skills you can barter! Ladies, the oldest profession is not farming and if you find yourself needing to barter something….you are gonna want condoms in your survival kit.
Feminine products are also gonna be worth a LOT us spoiled modern women, myself included are gonna be hard put to survive without our tampons, pads, and yeast infection supplies.
ITA… I have been stocking up on pads for myself and my 2 daughters. I'm staying away from the tampons though WTSHTF because of the TSS/ infection risk. I hadn't thought about the yeast infection supplies yet..but that will be one of the next things that I start stocking up on too.
BTW the oldest profession is farming
As a homeopath I have put together an emergency homeopathics kit with 41 combination remedies and instructions on how to use them. Enough to help yourself and all your family, friends, and neighbors in one bullet box container. Don’t forget that it isn’t enough to survive, one must thrive and one the the best ways to do that is to help others.
will you share the info?
So this all great info. long term and short term and I am learning alot ,but has any one thought of were you going to take a dump or thought about keeping camp sanitary ? My answer ,look into composting toilets that way you could kill two birds with one stone , sanitation, and its a great ferterlizer / compost to grow your own food its a proven method and its safe and cleen ..plus they do not need runing water !!!
great ideas, wonder if anyone thought of long term supplies like seeds, water barrels, and my personal favorite, the 110 pound German Shepard at my feet. Fully trained, very quiet, and has my back 24 hours a day.
The dog and the seeds were on the list. All of them are a good idea.
The only problem with dogs is that they need lots of food.
I think guns will not disapear. you will be able to build a zip gun as long as you can get a can of hairspray and access to a junk pile.
i have two cans of scotchgard in my bag. waterproofing is a necessity or have you never been wet and cold.. also rem oil for rifles , guns etc, and refills for butane and propane, mapp gas and charcoal brickettes chapstick, tampons, toilet paper, all essentials
I started doing this a few years ago… there are a lot of great items listed here! Benadryl was at the top of my list because of allergies! Also antibiotic ointment and something for poison ivy! Plus if you buy it new check the dates. Stores do not always have fresh items on their shelves. If you are doing this, be sure to go back and check expiration dates and make sure batteries still work and such every so often. Time flies and suddenly the things you packed are outdated. (I expected something to happen a long time ago.)
There was an interesting tv series that I think lasted for one year that I bought on DVD… It is called The Colony. http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/discovery-debu… It might give you some ideas. The show got old and I was glad when I finally finished it, but I still think it was worth it.
So is benadryl the only allergy medicine you recomend? is zyrtec just as effective?
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Hi Chef bear,
Probiotics are used to build up the immune system. They contain the exteme ingredient found in the best yogurts. It is what one is supposed to take along to third world countries for Montezuma's Revenge. Also, there are several herbal antibiotics that are natural. One is the hot oregano which may come from northern Italy and the Meditarannean. Cayenne does wonders for heating up every aspect of the inards.
Way up the comment list from Carl talks about 20-something and meds, etc. After digging into all this data and info the last month, it seems this survivalism definitely is in theory a young man’s or gal’s game. I am 60 with a 58 year old Motel 6 dependent wife and 13 year old special ed child. My only rational plan is an in-house scenario, because we got no where to bug out to. You guys that really think you’re going to make it in the mountains for a year are seriously in denial as to reality. Now you special forces guys might do it, but… So, buy more ammo, food, water and plan on a barricade scenario to hold out as long as you can. We live in the moderate temp south and year before last we lost power in an ice storm for 3 days. The house finally got down to a mere 55 degrees and it was tough. The Coleman stove and lanterns held out. What if it got to 40 degrees and the stove fuel ran out……and at my age I’m going to put my hopes in a plastic tarp shelter out in the forest or swamp somewhere eating MREs for a month. How do we balance reality with faith in some eventual stability? I mean if the suitcase bomb(s) goes off, would it be worth living?
I think there is a lot of "fantasy football" that gets played out on these forums. If you read between the lines, it seems to me that many people sort of look forward to the end of our current social structure, and a new beginning in which their particular skill set or area of expertise has more importance or value to society than it does now. It must be frustrating to people to be so capable of living in an 18th century world where they are beset on all sides by hordes of uneducated, starving, diseased masses, yet trapped in a 21st century world of soft suburban excess. In this world, our current reality, all their achievements amount to a peculiar hobby to most people. So some people use the reality of our depressed economy, the erosion of our personal freedoms, the empowerment of corporate entities, the lack of political alternatives, etc, etc, to engage in some escapist fantasy about living in a cave in the hills. I look at "survivalism" as "pragmatism". I am paying off all of my debts. I am taking care of any "deferred maintenance" on my house now while I can afford it. I am insisting that all my senior citizen family members pay off any debts and trying to get them to all move into the same neighborhood as me. I am paying for extra medication for family when I can. I have created disaster evacuation maps for all of my family members, indicating the safest escape routes from here to a relative 400 miles away and all our relatives in between and safe and clean hotels. I have scanned everyone's birth certificates, medical cards, insurance information, and other important documents, had those usb's encrypted, stored with family members and in a safe deposit box. Paid for family members to take gun safety and basic self defense classes. Scheduled CPR and first aid classes for family members. Worked with family members to make sure that all of our houses had hurricane shutters prepared, ready to go (we live in a coastal area). I am now in the process of trying to get each household to prepare 1 months supply of water and food. My husband and I stockpile ammo, are building a well, tend chickens, garden and are trying to figure out how to afford a few solar panels. These are all small changes that your family can make over time that do not require any commando like thinking. They simply require an acknowledgement that sometimes the shit does indeed hit the fan and that you are responsible for yourself and your own.
It's always worth living, and when you have to you might be surprised to find out what you can do. I am not saying that anything is going to happen (god knows I have a good life and don't want anything to happen), but I won't sit around while I have a chance to prepare. The first thing everybody says in an emergency, or a bad situation is "I never thought it would happen to me". Why be that person, if you can become part of a larger solution then why be the one sitting there saying "I can't believe that happened, now what do I do". Some people will always be more fanatical than others, but in the end what happens happens, we live we move on and we do the best that we can.
One item actually 2 items no one has thought about are dust/surgical masks and a few air filters for the truck. This is in case yellowstone blows up!!!!!!!
Meat grinders will be the next thing to disappear. You can take scrap meat and make red meat or fish meat hamburger out of it. Bean grinders are handy, too. As well as corn or grain grinders for animal feed like corn grit for chicks and small fowl or making your own grain breads. Some animals have a tough time eating dried corn off a cob. Meat injection tools will disappear when people begin to learn how to smoke their own meats. You have to inject the brine deep into the muscle and in the joints to keep it from rotting as it's smoked then hung up in the smoke house. Don't forget heavy duty files or any good quality steel hand tool that is used as maintenance for other tools like gardening or farming tools to horse hoof care or making your own weapons. Many folks will find it hard to lose their technological advantages as these items become more scarce as the industrial side of America sinks with her economy. Wouldn't be a bad idea to learn basic backyard blacksmithing or basic light metal welding, too. Skills like those can put you in a better position for bartering labor for goods.
Common sense will disappear first followed by reason and then sanity. Keeping your head when others around are losing theirs will be the best thing to keep. I am not sure that we can list everything that we might need and will not be available in a true disaster scenario. WD-40, aspirin, ear plugs, shin guards, football helmet, anything that you can't think of right now will be the first thing to disappear. I believe that it all comes down to setting priorities of survival versus comfort, Then comfort then pleasure. Video games, cell phones, face book, social media, and CNN will not be needed.
Semper Fi
I would be cautious when using guns/ammo for barter. When TPHTF even neighbors could turn on neighbors, and if you were smart enough to be prepared and they weren't, giving them the means to harm or threaten or rob you might not be smart.
tabacco
Howdy, i’m a professional dancer. i want to make a showreel with regard to my promotions. I also need to use some animation. Can someone suggest me the best animation studio, but possibly not very expensive? I’m here for 3 months for a tour.
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Wrong place to advertise the bodily ware here honey. We are a serious crowd. Sorry. Good luck with the looks, they don't last long and will not help you when you're 30 and cellulite sets in. Sorry we can't help you. Well… not really.
Bottled water goes first.
Canned soup goes second.
Anyone with money won't be around if they can help it. They will be in a different state or country living it up. So have fun looting their houses, unless they left security.
A pocket bong
Some good weed
and seeds (to plant)
Waterproof matches
and lighters (refillable butane with a bottle of butane is the way to go)
Some aluminum foil (for pipe making and other uses)
Rolling papers
Fritos (both as munchies and a firestarter)
Peanut Butter (also as munchies and bait in traps)
Lots of water
Comic books
CCR
Hackey sack
and a good pair of Scissors
Haha! Hey, I've got some serious pain issues with screwed up body parts. When pain killers run out (I am actively stocking them, BUT they will run out) I plan on smokin' the home grown. 500 seeds now and counting. Love weed, but only for…medicinal use. (???) and stress, and fun and enjoyment with wife. Heck with booze. That stuff will kill ya.
Better REALLY stock up on those fritos because when the munchies set in you'll need them. Shortly there after you'll just be the next victim.
Fellow preppers: I am somewhat surprised to see so much of the "stuff" we need for survival, but realistically, all that for a bug out? Do you have an 18-wheeler or what? Now for me this advise is perfect because I am working the Bug-In angle. No way at my age etc can I realistically expect to bug out into the wilderness and live more than a few days. And I wonder just how long we think an event might occur before Uncle reconstitutes itself to the rescue? I just don't see hiding out somewhere long enough to plant seeds and raise a garden. At home, ok, but out in the purely undeveloped wilds? For an urban scenario all I can invision is a week or more of hiding at home, defending the castle against intrusion (which happens now) and enough provisions to do that. Am I alone in this thinking?
No, I think you are about right. But for those who live in very dense cities it is a little different.
Very large cities would become intolerable very, very quickly if essentials ran out.
The problem is population density. Take a couple million people all on top of each other, a disaster, failing emergency services, massive food and water shortages, etc, and pretty soon things could get a little confrontational!
For the guys in the big cities I think bugging out is the only option.
I'm a minimalist. But, I have some training. Learn to use what you have, and only take what you have practical experience with, otherwise it is dead weight. If it doesn't fit in my camper shell, and it isn't absolutely neccessary… then it's out! Not enough people get into the woods to actually practice bushcraft – which is essential if you want to survive. City dwellers? Get out now… what's wrong with that? There are jobs elsewhere that won't stick you in the worst places ever for immediate survival. I'm with you… It won't be a forever situation in all probability. If it is, then we adapt or die. Good point, my friend.
They didn't teach you how to use the caps lock key though, did they?
Beautiful responce.
The first thing to go is usually common sense with stupidity taking its place. "People perish for lack of knowledge" Hosea 4:6
why you reckon they used to hang horse thieves? A mare can live on grass and make getting around & trading possible & replace itself. chickens without grain (which you will eating) will die during winter.
Dont be a fool… wrap your tool.
First Aid, Trauma Care, etc, anyone with these things will be valuable. People forget how fragile they are, and how often they've come close to biting it if they didn't receive care.
I really hate to say it, but the current editions of the Boy Scout Handbooks are almost worthless. When I was a Scout (20+ years ago) the Handbook was great–looking through my son's recently, a lot of useful information has been lost due to various reasons (leave no trace, etc.)
I would definitely recommend getting an older edition if you must.
What!?!?! No HONEY!!!!!!! Thats a down right out rage!!!!!!!!!
i think transformers need to be on the list, second to generators
And bag balm of course, antiseptic used in live stock but will work on any human around. it is a cure to whatever the hell ails you. and its petroleum (firestarter)
Hard alcohol is sure to be gone. it can be used as a heat source (drinking it), antiseptic, firestarter, and 110 proof and higher as fuel. i cant believe everyone forgot alcohol.
Drinking it does not actually make you warmer, and in fact makes you more suseptable to the elements, it just makes you feel warmer. Of course if you drink enough of it you really don't care. The other uses are good examples though, Everclear is very cheap and excellent for most of those uses
Quick correction, no offense meant
Alcohol may make you 'feel' warmer, but in reality, it thins the blood and makes the body much more prone to frost bite. I will admit, a nip or two wouldn't hurt, but it takes up 2 liters of water space! LOL!
I don't thump it but a bible. Sometimes the words in red are a comfort. Especially when people don't prep. And for those of us that do, so we remember to help our fellow man WHEN we can. Other then that my Rugar 10/22 (plus other items/weapons) and lots of 22 ammo.
Lots of socks!!! And lots of extra pairs of good boots.
This isn't a list of things you need to have in a bug out bag, people. It's a list of the things that are most likely to disappear off the shelves of stores in an emergency situation. (There are plenty of lists online of what you should be stocking up on, or reading about, or whatever.)
Or, you know, just don't have sex.
Sorry to disagree with you, but that is just crazy. From a psycological standpoint alone, sex releases chemicals in your brain (endorphins) that actually make it easier for you to deal in the event of an emergency or when TSHTF. Masterbation also works but for a shorter period of time as it releases fewer endorphins. That good feeling that you have afterwards is not just because you got lucky it really is a good feeling caused by chemical reaction.
Not to mention sex is awesome.
That list would require a Uhaul to move around. I think you need to pick and choose from that list things that are most important to you. I think having some Marijuana to trade as a pain killer and a stress reliever would be very in demand and good for lots of toilet paper if you run out.
With all the threats to contend with if TSHTF no one has mentioned disabilities. I realize that we can all help each other to some degree but as a for instance (in my case) not being able to hear is a very personal problem if there is no one around and you run out of batteries. Just wanted to bring that out to get some of us thinking about it.
@Jaaak, snopes.com disagrees with the “chapstick”.. Duh.
To add to list= condoms
Looks good so far, nice work!
condoms? do you really needs those in a disaster situation ?
No TV, Radio, Computer Games. WTF else is there to do?
point.
That’s a good list to take into consideration.
All of this in a BOB? I have a "Get Home Bag" in the stretch cab of the truck. There also is weather reliable clothing to use with the GHB if needed. Also shovel,, saw, road flares (start fires readily), tarp, and a light box.
OOPS wrong "forum".
Can you store gas for long periods of time?
Oh you forgot heirloom seeds. The kind you can regrow, or cultivate more seeds from. you know so you can plant fresh fruit and vegetables. personally a must for any long term location you have.
Distilling equipment, for water,fuel, and medicine.
I'm glad to see some other realists out there! I can't stress enough that after you've put together your survival supplies, the need for barter supplies because lets face it cash aint goona be worth squat if the infastructure collapses. Cigarettes,booze,chocolate,extra ammo and toiletries are great barter supplies to have extras of, I have been planning and stocking up for years and while you can't ever be to prepared I believe me and mine will be able to survive almost any situation that comes our way.
what about “Milk an Bread”?
The first thing to disappear is of course, common sense.
Also, Tabasco sauce.
Oddly enough most lists, while they may be there, don't have matches listed very high on their priority. Get wooden "kitchen" matches, the 'strike anywhere' kind (and get match books as well). The USA seems to be the only place in the world that makes 'strike anywhere' matches and even here they are getting a bit harder to find. (believe me, all the "strike on the box" matches in the world aren't going to do much good if the 'striker' strip is worn out, and most of the time that happens well before the matches are gone.)
Continuation of the 'match thing',
All the other (besides lighters) methods of making fires are good and important, but you can't/don't want to have to do that every time you light a candle, fire, lantern, stove, etc. You don't want want tohave to 'keep something burning' to light off of, as that expends fuel or candles. Matches are cheaper, etc. A regular (not the small, -strike on the box- type, once called 'penny matches') box of wooden matches has about 300 matches, a box of matchbooks has 1,000 matches, get several, they're pretty cheap and as most stores don't carry a lot of matches, they would go pretty fast!
I got your back too, but I a SHTF situation a screaming woman bring a couple of well armed men would work great as a trap, (watch any post apocaliptic movie). A couple of people can get all the ammo and guns they need if they put a moman into a confined space and she screams.
Probably be better of creating your won uniqu content
Just use reusable menstrual products ladies!
They are easy, more comfortable and take up less space.
Not to mention better for the environment.
I’ve been using them since I started a non profit org and I’ll never go back to those disposable plastic things.
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Not sure about Pad Pals but my girlfriend uses the Diva Cup and loves it. it's made of silicone so is reusable.
Proper foot care and well fitting shoe gear is extemely important. You will be spending an extrodinary amount of time on your feet gathering daily needs for yourself and family. Many
Instead of drugs, think natural to perpetuate your health. Taking antibiotics, etc. weakens/kills off your immune system (some would say this is WHY gov't, etc. have been promoting their use, to weaken and destroy us).
Instead, stock up on colloidal silver (+ a colloidal silver generator, if at all possible), echinacea, garlic, golden seal, aloe, cayenne, etc.
Believe me, you'll be glad you did.
Wow! Fairly good list! I would caution to say “Think in systems” like food system would include gathering, storing, preparation, cooking, feeding your people, sanitation and use or disposal of wastes. In doing this almost immediately the subsystems begin to pop out, like “preparation” (of food) could mean bowels and kitchen knifes to cut up vegetables or up to block n tackle and bone saws if your butchering livestock.
If you are “bugging out” it would be wrong to think of yourself as the “lone ninja” type if you have mom, dad, uncle Joe, your new baby and wife with you, and you should have a definite place to go, if not you are not called a survivalist your called a refugee. Again “Thinking in systems”
Supplies I would add to this list, Good digging shovel, Tarps, tools of all kinds for repair and construction, water gathering and purification systems.
The other ting I would add is training in skills. My suggestion is as a volunteer firefighter if your area uses them. Gives good training, sets good habits and great experience!
If TSHTF, most "injuries" will be gunshot wounds. So learn how to suture and stock up on the pain meds and antibiotics. Also, regular Bic lighters will be great to barter with and easy to stock up on now. You'll need trash bags and toilet paper. The best possible thing you can do is bug-out to the country now and plant a garden, raise meat rabbits and chickens, plant herbs and learn how to make medicine with them (Fresh herbs are way more potent than that crap you buy in a bottle and even dried herbs!), buy a milking cow, stock up on seeds and learn how to harvest seeds, stock up on the ammo and guns (About 20,000 rounds at least), learn to hunt, learn to butcher livestock, and learn to cook real food. Stock up enough non-perishable foods to sustain your family through at least 6 months. After your food stores run out, you better have a garden ready to harvest and rabbits and chickens to slaughter. Learn as many skills as you can now. Learn to live off the grid and without electricity or gas. People did it for thousands of years and so can we.
One question that everyone should know the answer to is How many people are going to bug-out to your place expecting to be taken care of? Think long and hard and you might find that you'll be invaded by 20+ people or more! The number 1 rule of prepping is DO NOT tell anyone you are prepping. And remember to prepare yourselves mentally. It takes about 4 days for your neighbors to become hungry, armed, and dangerous. They will come looking for something to eat, and they'll be willing to kill anyone who gets in their way. Not to sound too morbit, but it has happened before and could easily happen again. Read Selco's blog at http://www.SHTFSchool.com.
1.hydrogen peroxide (antiseptic)
2. white vinigar for steralization purposes
550 cord
You cannot stress enough the importance of changing socks and keeping your body clean. When I was humping the bush in the army I would carry clean dry socks over c-rats in some cases. A major concern with stockpiles is others wanting to benefit from your hard work. I split everything up and try to have multiple caches, and I use grid cooordinates as locators. I like the barter system, that is an excellent thought. Unless I have enough medicine for years to come I may need to learn some herbal cures. I need some remedial training on what works and what does not. I am leary of advocatting eating plants unless I am 100 percent certain. Very common plants turn toxic at certain levels in the system.
You know, you don't need pest control if you have a cat. The black plague was because they were killing cats and the rat population exploded. I know most "manly men" claim to "loathe cats" and use them as "target practice" but I bet my house with a couple of cats will have less pests!
Rubbing alcohol–good for sterilizing and can be used for a mini stove. Also, denatured alcohol, for the latter purpose. Barley's good for making beer/whiskey. If you know how to do that on a long term basis, you'll likely be able to trade for quite a few other commodities.
I have little bottles of brandy , vodka, bullets, seed, lighters and tobacco set aside to barter with.
I have non-hybrid seeds for me, but putting back hybrid for barter.
I think everyone needs a safe house. If it is just a root cellar hid in the woods, stocked with essentials, it may save your life if you have to run and hide your family.
hand warmers, water purifcation pills, stockpile medications when you visit your doctor invtent sinus infections, whatever else you can and stock pile the meds. knives…fishhooks, nets, book on edible herbs and plants and what not to eat…even start experimenting now before its a have to. always have a plan, A, plan B..plan C…..know plans fail have backups…stay calm think ahead and teach your kids to do the same.
And have bags for each member of your family, practice now letting them carry them. there is 8 of us.youngest is only 6.
start coaxing and training your family to eat rabbit and squirrel gravy now so it wont be such a shock to them later…i remember eating both of that as a kid and since no one else i knew was eating it , i thought it meant we was rich!…it's pretty tasty too.
Wow, I thought that guns and ammo would have been number 1
Well the article says the list isn't in any particular order. I would think 'clean water' would be right at the top of the list for my area (Florida) and anywhere else its hot. Gasoline/Diesel would be next, to run generators and heavy equipment. Both are in short supply all the time, even without any sort of disaster. After that, bug repellent/netting – most people have no idea how bad bugs can get. There are 67 different species of mosquito in Florida, counting fresh water *and* salt water types. After that, medicine – the supply of non-refrigerated antibiotics and such is never very large, and they don't have long shelf life in the heat/humidity.
Board Games?
a couple of things i would add…if you want to be seen/heard, a signal mirror, strobe light or surveyors tape (bright color) and a whistle. i've searched for people for over 21 years…if only they carried this stuff! if you don't, some camo. a quality multi-tool. tweezers, a good few needles for fixing a larger cut or wound. a book on edible plants. a water proof way to carry your important documents, i.e. birth cert, passport, SS card, etc. (some day you will need to proof who you are). the rat trap idea is good…but if your not worried about weight get a steel trap or conibear trap and a book on setting traps…not hard once you get the hang of it and one can eat woodchucks, muskrats, racoons etc. learn how to make your own snares or buy some.
MONEY! Not that it would be a problem!
There are excellent field survival pamphlets the government put out during the Vietnam war. Teaches one how to build shelter, hunt for food, make fire, treat injuries, protect yourself during national disasters..etc. Yeah, they are basic and old, but survival techniques never go out of "style".
I highly recommend the medical pamphlets.
by the way, these pamphlets can be found online and downloaded or printed out. Find them here http://rk19-bielefeld-mitte.de/survival/FM/inhalt…
For all of you thinking about bugging out to the Mountains you better think again. As there are people already living in the Mountains. I live in Montana 2 1/2 hours from the nearest walmart. And if you are not careful and make some close friends with some of the people already living here in the mountains of Montana or where ever you think you are bugging out to. You might Get shot for being the real city folk that you are. And trying to survive in the mountains without knowing somebody there. If some thing like what you are talking about happens the people in these small town know all of their neighbours and will know that you do not belong in their neck of the woods. So most of you would be best to Bug In where you live at. Remember you chose to live in the cities for your Jobs, comforts of living in the cities resturents theaters and all that other bullshit that you think you need for your daily lives.
I can almost Gaurentee that you will not be welcomed with open arms from the people that already live there.
Its good to have these Items on the 100 item list that you all created in the forum and most people in the woods or people that live remotely already have most of this stuff and have more skills than most of you have. If you have never Killed and dressed something that you have killed and prepared for a meal you should learn that. there are plenty of dogs and cats in the cities.
But most people who are animal lovers would not think of that for a food source.
Don't get me wrong I like animals also i feed the deer in my backyard and do my hunting far from home. But most of you if you don't know how to survive off the land . By using what nature has out there you will probably perish sooner in the woods than you would in the cities.
I'll be looting pharmacies, Walgreens/CVS/RiteAid, WHy? Anti-Biotics, Food Supplements. THey have everything a larger store has , just less of it. Groceries, Wal-mart etc will be looted first i think, less attention will be given to pharmacies in early stages of looting. Later on, these pharmacies may be a better target to find something useful.
DEISEL ENGINES DO NOT HAVE SPARK PLUGS BOYS.
Totally agree on the marijuana comment. It relieves so many ailments its crazy. plus if you grow it out to hemp you have food, fiber, and the seeds can be pressed for their oils to burn, make medicines, or to eat for omega 3 and 6 fatty acids if the fish supply near you is depleted or toxic.
thx for the idea
good point, Iplan on using my electronics knowlege ( and a few spare car parts) to build small, portable wind generators and battery packs ( to store for later). even if the shtf we still have all this tech and know-how floating around the country. If people keep there heads about them we can survive, and even enjoy a few of our modern conveniences. Don't throw yourself back to the 19th century for no reason, master a few skills for today!
good to see a fellow blacksmith. I would plan to use my blacksmith skills as well for bartering. I smith in my driveway on the main street so everyone knows me a the "village smith". During an apocalyptic situation most people will want knifes, axes, arrowheads, flint and steel sets, shovels/ gardening tools, cooking and fire tools and stoves. so learn how to make that stuff and what scrap steels can be used to make it, unless you have an iron mine and mini foundry near you. Also Learn how to make soap, valuable, valuable, valuable skill to have!!!!!
I'm a US soldier, I guess I could sell my skills of protection. Not everyone is going to want/be able to take another persons life if it comes down to it.
there are products like the Diva Cup (google my friends) it last a year is reusable month to month, it is silicon so it can be sanitized by boiling. perfect no, but better than hunting for pads every month or storing very large space taking boxes full of tampons.
Yea i would say a well trained dog is a must after a disaster of any kind, I personally have a Kangal dog and they are amazing, there a big dog and males way from about 100 pounds to 200 pounds yet they are extremely agile and fast and have been none to kill wolves, cougars, and even bears. Another good reason to have a dog like a Anatolian (but any bigger dog will probably get by work) is if you are going to have livestock as they are natural guardians of "their" livestock and family. I think i would also add all books of knowledge especially language survival etc. to the list as knowledge is mans greatest resource.
when shtf i'm guessing satellites wont work. so gps is pretty useless.
We have a colodial silver generator that runs on 2 9volt batteries to make the old time antibiotic – it cured my wife from Lyme disease!
I just want to put this out there. I think it's a good idea to actually try the medication before you need it. The Army gives us doxycyclin when we deploy to Afghanistan and Iraq so we don't get Malaria. Within about 4 hours of taking my first dose I had broken out with a rash covering my chest and back. It's a good idea to do a "test" run on all the medications you will be carrying to make sure your body doesn't reject them.
they have them at hastings
hate to say it, but there was a time when Hurricane Isabelle hit and there wasn't a gas station open for three weeks and we syphoned gas out of the city vehicles down the road at three a.m. If there was a real SHTF to happen, knowing how to suck gasoline out of a car with a piece of garden hose is a good thing. Just sayin….
Agreed.
From wikipedia: " In 1619, Jamestown colony law declared that all settlers were required to grow hemp or cannabis. In 1797, George Washington grew hemp cannabis for fiber production at Mount Vernon as one of his primary crops. The 44-gun frigate, USS Constitution or 'Old Ironsides', took over 60 tons of hemp for rigging, including an anchor cable 25 inches in circumference. The Conestoga wagons and prairie schooners of pioneer days were covered with hemp canvas. Indeed the very word 'canvas' is derived from 'cannabis.' "
Fabric/rope made from hemp is stronger than the same products made from cotton, and hemp can grow in many more places/climates than cotton can. In a post-SHTF world, having resources like hemp could make a huge difference… as long as you can find someone with weaving skills.
That said, learning how to build and operate a Loom could stand anyone in very good stead.
You tool bag, Laziness is the mother of all invention.
and trust me, when tshtf, it may be for the best that people stop pumping themselves with toxic pharma.
If you can't get to Mexico try Fish antibiotics for ponds. They are the same dosage size and quality the doc prescribes. Check out a place called EntirelyPets.com. I"ve stocked up both Amoxcillin and Cephalexine.
BTW, you all need to educate yourselves a bit more, rats DID not cause the deaths, it was the fleas that they carried(which dogs and cats would also carry).
Stupid humans!!
It is suggested that each member of the family have perhaps a 2 gallon size zip lock bag with prescription information, extra glasses, birth certificate and other pertinent info. These need to be kept in a known location or at a meet up point. Did you see Angelina J. in Salt? She had a ready bag although probably not with these items. Yet, she must have had stash stations in many different locations.
I'm 13. I stock up on medicine often
You can buy a months worth of your script without filing on insurance. Is it expensive? Can be depending on the type. Try finding natural alternatives to what you need and stock those as well.
Hi Karl,
Perhaps, some guidelines on storing all of this in the now and how to do the rotations?
T. You. Nice to see you here.
I picked one up at Harbor Freight for about $11(plus some change). only had it a couple of weeks, but so far it is working well. Has built in for recharging 2 AA batteries and an adapter for 9v, but I am sure I can adapt it to charge others. It has a selector switch for 3,6,9, and 12volt with alligator clips. It needs to be facing directly at the sun to get full rated charges, the surface area is about 5"x8". Multimeter shows it pushing enough voltage. and very lightweight to boot. Only thing that concerns me is – how long will it last?
I can understand stocking up on gold, because it will hold its value so when/if things eventually get better you can have something of real worth. But Paper money would be worthless when SHTF.
WHEN THE SHTF NO ONE IS GOING TO NEED IT FOR A WHILE.
Actually satellites have spans of 15 years and up.
chap stick has microscopic glass fibers to cut your lips….the repeated use of chap stick ensures your dependance on it and therefore you have burdened yourself with a unnecessary problem (like diabetes), because of your foolish U.S. instant gratification mind set and inability to tolerate pain for more than 5 minutes you have effectively shackled yourself in yet another way….Commoners
Just remember that cats carry fleas just as bad as rats do, so if there is a disease going around spread by fleas, then you'd better have something to keep them off your cats. Same goes for dogs.
Even if it's not a disease issue, who wants a bunch of fleas in your home, bed , furniture, etc….
In a bug in situation I totaly agree with you, but in a bug out situation you would most likely have to leave those things behind. So I would say your suggestion is kind of cost prohibitive when buying bulk ammo would be better.
I would use Plantain (broad leaf weed found everywhere) as an "astringent" (to soak up the poisons). You don't have to grow it and store it (insects, bees and snakes don't bother much in winter)
Tobacco is one item you don't need.
Tobacco has several medicinal purposes, in fact it was europeans that really started using it as a smoking "drug". Indiginous people in South America used the leaves for their antibacterial and pain relieving purposes. Tobacco that has been dried has very little use, but just a striaght cut chewing tobacco, or an actual tobacco plant serve well as part of medical treatment. Plus the barter factor for tobacco products.
It lasts more than a year. I've had mine almost that long and I have a friend that has been using hers for 3 years with no problems.
just swallow it woman!!
Women will probably be forced to trade their bodies for food so condoms are actually not a bad idea.
If it ever happens again, be aware that most newer vehicles have screens in the gas tube that prevent you from syphoning.
You can punch a whole through the screen, but if you're doing that, might be easiest to punch a whole in the bottom of the gas tank. The gas comes out quicker, and you don't have to taste gasoline. It does ruin the vehicle, so use only when necessary.
Chapstick does not have "microscopic glas fibers."
It does, along with most ointments, have petroleum which thins the skin making it more easily irritated.
I'd shoot someone before trading my body for food. There's always another solution.
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